Hope in the Heartland (UPDATED!)

Well, as much as it seems some people are very...concerned about Senator Obama's polling against John McAncient this month, I think we need to take a look at the other side of the polling spectrum, for fairness. And needless to say, there's not as much to be concerned about as some supporters may think.

I'm tired of the gloom and doom talk, so I paid a visit to a few polling sites, and took a look.

How about Ohio?
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=b03c08ab-30b9-463d-8be2-5cb118 e05b74

Well, Obama is +9!

In Missouri, where many of us are so "concerned" about?
http://www.pollster.com/08-MO-Pres-GE-Mv O.php

Senator Obama has been closing his double digit gap with John McCain recently, from down 14 to the most recent poll being down 3.

Michigan, you say?
http://www.pollster.com/08-MI-Pres-GE-Mv O.php

It's all even there, the same as if Hillary were the nominee.

In Indiana, Barack leads in two of the last three polls taken:
http://www.pollster.com/08-IN-Pres-GE-Mv O.php

Look, let's end the concern trolling. We've got two incredibly viable General Election canidates here and to say that we should be "worried" at this point in time is ridiculous, especally since Senator Obama has seen upticks in statewide polling numbers in the last few weeks as he's been revealed as the probable nominee. Like it or not, he's the nominee, and we need to realize that maybe...GASP, we're not as doomed as we think. McCain has the spetre of Bush looming over him and Senator Obama is poised to make him play defense in several formely solid red states across the US.

So I think there's cause for some real HOPE in the heartland tonight. Let's rally together and get a Democrat in office, and quit worrying so much about polls 5 months before the election.

UPDATE:Student Guy, downthread, talked about Iowa turning red. Now if there's a true "heartland" state in the US, it's gotta be Iowa, with it's rich history and quentisential American heartland status. So how are we doing in Iowa, gang? http://www.pollster.com/08-IA-Pres-GE-MvO.php

It appears Senator McOldDementedBat hasn't led in MONTHS!

And I decided to take a look at Florida while we're at it, one of those states that I have heard so much concern trolling about, and one that people are saying to write off if Barack is the nominee. Turns out the situation is getting much tighter: http://www.pollster.com/08-FL-Pres-GE-MvO.php In the last three polls, the deficit Barack faces isn't more than 10 points. It averages out to around 5. So let's get this done!



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Tips? (2.00 / 57)

Because I'm just too busy in life to concern troll throughout an entire day.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:25:44 AM EST

Re: Tips? (2.00 / 18)

Invisible mojo.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:27:11 AM EST
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Re: Tips? (2.00 / 3)

Visible and highly deserved mojo.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:57:22 AM EST
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Re: Tips? (2.00 / 2)

Invisible mojo? They got you, too? Dang. I may never recommend a diary again. You never know when you've picked the wrong one around here.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:27:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You probably TR'd Alegre's... (none / 0)

"Is this snark?" comment.  That got a lot of people's rec ability taken away.  B.S. if you ask me.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:23:35 PM EST
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Re: Tips? (2.00 / 4)

phantom mojo


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Tue May 27, 2008 at 03:24:18 PM EST
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Re: Tips? (none / 0)

Hey zcflint, why would you TR me for handing out mojo, phantom or not?


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:07:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips? (none / 0)

probably a mistake. it's easy to inadvertently enter the wrong rating.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:29:23 PM EST
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Re: Tips? (none / 0)

I am SO sorry, I must have entered the wrong rating. I fixed it. Sorry about that!


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 06:44:24 AM EST
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Re: Tips? (none / 0)

Danke schoen mon ami.


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:49:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm honestly NOT worried... (none / 0)

because if there's one thing Americans care about more than anything else, is how much everything is costing them.  John McBush said that the economy is NOT his strong suit.  I laugh aloud every time I think about that priceless, YouTube moment.  


"Not only do I want an elite president, I want someone who's embarrassingly superior to me." -- Jon Stewart, 4/15/08
by JulieinVT on Tue May 27, 2008 at 05:46:51 PM EST
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Re: Tips? (none / 0)

Phantom mojo!


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:08:49 PM EST
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Re: Hope in the Heartland (2.00 / 14)

An awesome diary, kudos to you, sir. I've said many times, we have two awesome candidates, and both were electable this cycle- they just take different paths to get to 270. And with Senator Clinton having put Obama through his paces, he'll run right over John McCain- the only thing we'll have to worry about in the fall is making sure all the farmers market's are closed, for the public safety.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:26:53 AM EST

I dont follow your logic.. (none / 0)

Obama may still be able to win in the Midwest but I don't think he is as strong a candidate as Clinton there. Plus, in recent months, he has not won a majority of the votes. (He did at the beginning.)


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:58:17 PM EST
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Re: I dont follow your logic.. (2.00 / 2)

Explain, please how he has not won the majority of the votes? If you give Clinton ALL of the votes she "won" in FL/MI, give Obama 0 and don't count 4 caucus states, she is ahead. That's like saying, counting only the states's HRC has won, she's won.

I just don't understand why this argument has any legs at all.


by hopeful on Tue May 27, 2008 at 03:40:29 PM EST
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In recent months (none / 0)

has Clinton won a state outside her upper-midwest/appalachian breadbasket?


by 79blondini on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:45:07 PM EST
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Re: Hope in the Heartland (2.00 / 12)

I may be new to posting here, but I've been lurking long enough to have read your post about accepting that Obama was the probable nominee, even though you were incredibly sad that Clinton could not be the nominee.

I think that post was wonderful and so is this one. I can only hope I would have been as gracious to and positive about Senator Clinton if she had been the nominee.


by pomology on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:28:27 AM EST

Re: Hope in the Heartland (2.00 / 1)

Right on.  Let's put pathetic old geezer McCain throught the tumble dry cycle!


by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:59:19 AM EST
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Re: Hope in the Heartland (none / 0)

For some reason, I REALLY want to give you phantom mojo for such a nice comment.  The diarist has become a hero of mine.


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:12:40 PM EST
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I'm not worried (2.00 / 12)

Obama is a hell of a lot better campaigner than McCain.  McCain holds press conferences while Obama holds massive rallies.  The difference will be clear.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:29:17 AM EST

I'm worried (none / 0)

I'd be less worried if Obama wasn't so afraid of debates.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:59:20 PM EST
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Re: I'm worried (none / 0)

To be fair, Obama is worse that Hillary at debates, almost embarassingly so but McCain isn't any good either.  Obama against Hillary makes him look bad because he ponders the answer.  That isn't a bad thing as President but it makes it look as though you are uninformed as a debater.

If Obama was as good of a debater (even half as good) as Hillary or Bill he would have this thing sown up.  That said McCain is even worse and with the right coaching he will run roughshod over him in the fall.


I CAN HAZ BAHROCK DONASCHON?
by kasjogren on Tue May 27, 2008 at 03:57:38 PM EST
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Re: I'm worried (none / 0)

Are you saying that because for a long period of time he wasn't content to get tied down debating when meeting people was (obviously) more effective?


by reenactor on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:27:00 PM EST
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Diary rec'd. Agree with you 100%. (2.00 / 11)

We're definitely winning in November. I wish the concern trolls would either STFU or GTFO.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:40:16 AM EST

You tell them! (2.00 / 5)

I'm loving it!


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:43:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Definition of "concern troll" ? (none / 0)

In this thread, is the definition of a "concern troll" someone that isn't yet on the Obama bandwagon?

I ask this sincerely.


by bobswern on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:45:30 AM EST
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Re: Definition of "concern troll" ? (2.00 / 7)

Personally, I interpret as concern trolls those people who frankly seem to despise Obama, but then talk about his electability as a reason not to support him.

People who, say, freaked out over Obama scratching his face with his middle finger, or called him "our version of Bush" for making jokes with reporters, then turned around and sorrowfully posted about how we shouldn't nominate him because he can't win Ohio, qualify as concern trolls in my mind, because even if he was up by 40 points in Ohio they wouldn't give a damn since they just hate the guy.

Basically there are some anti-Obama positions one can take that tell me they are primarily an anti-Obama advocate and they are not seriously and dispassionately weighing the electability of the various candidates.

Whereas someone who has shown no evidence of derangement hasn't abandoned reason and their opinions about electability are not concern trolling--so if you'd, hypothetically, made passionate posts about why Clinton's health care plan was superior to Obama's and that's why she should be president, I would not then interpret arguments from you about electability as concern trolling.

This is of course my opinion only.


by vinc on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:25:26 AM EST
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Am I the only one? (none / 0)

Or did this post have you laughing.

>"People who, say, freaked out over Obama scratching his face with his middle finger, or called him "our version of Bush" for making jokes with reporters, then turned around and sorrowfully posted about how we shouldn't nominate him because he can't win Ohio, qualify as concern trolls in my mind"


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Tue May 27, 2008 at 03:01:37 PM EST
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Re: Definition of "concern troll" ? (2.00 / 5)

My sincere response to your question: no a concern troll is not anybody not yet on the Obama bandwagon but somebody who looks intentionally, determinedly, and relentlessly for anything negative about Obama and then couches whatever they find in faux concern about electability. I think that everybody here would be happy to debate the merits of his candidacy thoughtfully with you in the effort to unite the party.


by wasder on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:22:12 AM EST
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Re: Definition of "concern troll" ? (2.00 / 1)

Strictly defined, a concern troll is someone who uses faux concern about a candidate or party as a mask to troll about them.

For example:
"OMG Mike Gravel is an alien!!!11!11!1one!" = troll
"I like Mike Gravel, but I don't think he can win in the fall because he's an extraterrestrial.  Hopefully the invisibledelegates will come to their senses and make sure he isn't the nominee." = concern troll


Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.
by mistersite on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:41:18 AM EST
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I agree... (none / 0)

But don't you think the Obama folk are at least 10 times more likely to do that as the Clinton ones?


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Tue May 27, 2008 at 03:03:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Cite? n/t (none / 0)


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:27:10 PM EST
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Re: Diary rec'd. Agree with you 100%. (none / 0)

Hard to send a concern troll packing when he runs the site....


by Deadalus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:12:35 PM EST
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The repugs are having REAL (2.00 / 9)

BUYERS REMORSE.

What's his strategy anyways?

He's been out there 2 months and he's fallen behind in polls.

This G.I. Bill is going to be a killer. He's on the wrong side of the debate right now. He's going to lose alot of votes with veterans and current soldiers. I have no idea why he doesn't like the bill.

Most of the repugs are backing it.

He's toast.


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:41:52 AM EST

Re: The repugs are having REAL (2.00 / 2)

I have no idea why he doesn't like the bill.

Because Bush doesn't like the bill.


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:52:13 AM EST
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Re: The repugs are having REAL (2.00 / 1)

I think we'll see McCain's strategy when he picks his VP.  My bet is that it'll be Romney.

McCain's lurching to the left on some issues to try to meet Obama halfway--witness his recent talk about global warming, bipartisanship, and his purge of the lobbyists.  He'll try to stick to the right on foreign policy, as his recent hammering of Obama on those issues indicates.  His problem is that the right-most wing of the Republican party hates him because they see him as a traitor to the cause for his willingness to reach out.  

Now, I think he's just tone-deaf enough to select Romney as a sop to the hard right.  McCain will want Romney to be the young face of his campaign, with the fundraising apparatus of the Movement people (ie those interests represented by NRO, Weekly Standard, etc).  He'll send Romney to appeal to the hard-righters who are threatening to sit out, so McCain himself can continue to position himself as a maverick centrist.

The problem is that the right smoked out Romney's phoniness long ago.  They don't buy his bullshit any more than Dems do.  Watch them freak out when he doesn't pick Huckabee or another evangelical--to his credit, McCain's got no interest in playing that Christianist game.  I think it's a strategy that's going to hamstring him in the fall--he can't win without the Rove base, and that base doesn't trust him or Romney.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:53:02 PM EST
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Very excellent diary (2.00 / 6)

you might add for further strength the examples of Iowa (for Obama) and Arkansas for Clinton.

I am also glad to see a Clinton supporter call out the person you are referring to for concern trolling.  Seriously this year is looking fantastic for us as democrats; we will likely pick up 4+ seats in the senate, I've heard 30+ in the house (one good chance in my homestate with Ashwin Madia in MN-03), and both democrats (if current polling holds up) will beat McCain.  This election is looking better than any I can remember.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:43:14 AM EST

Re: Very excellent diary (2.00 / 6)

I'm hoping for a pickup where I'm moving to, in VA-5, with Tom Periello. Goode needs to be gone. He's the one who insisted Obama took the oath of office for Senate on a Koran.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:49:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hope in the Heartland (2.00 / 4)

Thank you for Hope in the Heartland.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:51:19 AM EST

Good diary. (2.00 / 4)

It's heartening to read realistic appraisals of our nominee's chances, and not ones biased by a preference for alternate candidates.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:07:41 AM EST

Re: Good diary. (none / 0)

FYI, this is an old meme that Clinton was attacked with too:

THE 1992 CAMPAIGN: Pennsylvania; Pennsylvania Governor Criticizes Process That's Turning to Clinton
By MICHAEL DECOURCY HINDS,
Published: April 24, 1992
THE NEW YORK TIMES

With Pennsylvania's primary only days away, the state's Democratic Governor today criticized his party's Presidential primary process -- and its likely nominee, Bill Clinton -- saying the process had produced a front-runner who could not win. He urged the party's uncommitted delegates to remain neutral so that a stronger nominee could be selected at the convention this summer.

"We have to recognize reality," Gov. Robert P. Casey said in an interview today. "The primary process is not producing someone who has a good crack at winning in November." Pennsylvania Democrats hold their primary next Tuesday.

Referring to low turnouts in earlier primaries, Governor Casey said, "We've got a tiny minority of Democrats voting for Bill Clinton, and he's winning every race without generating any sparks, any enthusiasm, any momentum."


Obama: June 3, 2008. Historic.
by jv on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:14:40 PM EST
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Re: Hope in the Heartland (2.00 / 10)

Hope in the Heartland just replaced a diary named Trouble in the Heartland on the rec-list. That is moving; things, I think, will come together for us just fine this fall. Not to get all wishy washy here, but this goes to show there's nothing we can't accomplish working together.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:10:30 AM EST

Re: Hope in the Heartland (2.00 / 3)

Things are coming together.  Have you noticed that there's less petty insults (cult, kool aid, obamatons, etc.) being flung at us lately?  A few exceptions, of course, but the atmosphere seems to be less immaturely hostile.


Donate to Obama, Today!
by freedom78 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:47:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hope in the Heartland (2.00 / 3)

You might want to watch out on being so rational; you might give people ideas.  Rec'd.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:28:42 AM EST

Ohio Poll (2.00 / 1)

Big problems with that SUSA Poll.  First it's RV, not LV, with a small sample size and a 4.1% MoE.

What's bizarre is that Obama's comparative strength to McCain is most pronounced in Southeast Ohio where a whopping 29% of voters are undecided.  Keep in mind that Southeast Ohio is that part of the map right next to Kentucky and West Virginia, and then figure that the Ohio general election is open to the GOP as well as the Dems (who soundly rejected Obama in WV, KY, and Southeast Ohio in the primary).  

A big blooper like this in that region is the reason this poll is so out of synch with the rest of Ohio polling.  Quinnipiac which had a much larger sample size released a poll right before SUSA showing terrible news for Obama in Ohio and Florida, but a so-so showing in Pennsylvania.  Not only was it more credible due to bigger sample size, larger MoE, and pollster reputation, but it also coincided with the aggregate of other polls out there.  

Ohio is the state that singlehandedly ended Obama's February momentum.  It's the state that didn't give a hoot what the rest of the nation thought about this guy; they didn't like him then and there's no reason to think they suddenly like him now.  Hint: Bittergate and Wright didn't help.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 05:47:19 AM EST

Re: Ohio Poll (2.00 / 1)


Unfortunately, I think BPK is about right here.

Speaking as an Ohioan that comes from a large extended family of immigrants/ first generation, union member, church every Sunday folk (read: Reagan Democrats), I think Senator Obama has significant problems in Ohio.

We continue to discount how important the Wright scandal really is.  While recognizing that the polling suggests minimal impact, Wright creates some second order issues.

For example, count me as a Democrat of faith who loved this:

Figuring their joint appearance at an Orange County evangelical church finally put the shoe on the other foot, Brownback turned to Obama and said, "Welcome to my house." The audience of evangelicals howled with laughter. But when Obama had the chance to speak a few minutes later, he returned to what Brownback had said: "There is one thing I've got to say, Sam: This is my house, too. This is God's house."

It was great to see a Democrat who could speak comfortably and authentically about faith issues.  Rev. Wright sorta wrecked that.  It would have gone a long way towards winning Ohio.


by Crookd River Progressive on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:23:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ohio Poll (none / 0)

Actually, what it shows is that SE Ohio is neither Obama's nor McCain's for now.

Reverend Wright, by the way, came out AFTER Ohio. So did Bittergate.  So neither affected Obama's showing in Ohio. What hurt him was the bogus Canadian NAFTA story.

Also, Ted Strickland worked very hard for Clinton in SE Ohio. If he works just as hard for Obama then he could be competitive in that region.

A big factor will be the Rod Parsley fallout. If Parsley feels snubbed by McCain, he won't work his deviltry for McCain. Parsley, more than anybody else (including Blackwell) handed Ohio to Bush.


by elrod on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:12:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ohio is smack in the middle (none / 0)

of the race chasm at 12% African-American population.  I take it to mean the 12% is high enough to create racial tension and wariness, but not high enough for AA voting to be decisive.

Also, for a non-southern state, Ohio seems to have a proportionate share of whackjob evangelical preachers and hate-radio broadcasts.  This from my comprehensive study of driving through the state twice.  Anyhoo, I'm speculating that Ohio Democrats who are repulsed by these characters are going to have little patience with the likes of Jeremiah Wright on our end of the spectrum.  It wouldn't kill Obama to emphasize populis economic policies a little more either.


by corph on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:46:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Amend that (none / 0)

to mean disproportionate share...


by corph on Tue May 27, 2008 at 03:15:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ohio Poll (none / 0)

Bittergate and Wright came out AFTER Ohio. I've seen no polling showing either of those issues causing lasting damage to Obama. It's probably allowed people who didn't like him in the first place to have an excuse to vote against him. But I doubt anybody who liked him before now dislikes him over it.

Of course, the big issue will be re-introducing Obama in the general election in areas that ignored before. He completely ignored southeast Ohio. He needs to do a town-by-town up-close-and-comfortable tour from Portsmouth on up to near Wheeling. He'll win a lot of votes that way. He did it in Iowa. And he probably lessened his margin of defeat in PA that way too.


by elrod on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:14:53 PM EST
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Re: Ohio Poll (none / 0)


I'm not sure the fact that Senator Obama was smacked in Ohio PRIOR to the Wright matter becoming a prominent issue necessarily bodes well for Obama.

As I wrote previously, I agree with you that the polling suggests  the Wright flap had minimal impact. My less imperical experience suggests otherwise.  I worked the polls for Senator Obama in NW Ohio and heard the conversations between voters as thye waited in line. I live here. I wear my Obama shirt regularly to see what types of responses he elicits (its typically just a bit hostile).  And Rev. Wright comes up a lot.  He's shorthand for "radical."  So does Michele Obama.  She's shorthand for worse.

Senator Obama will do very well in the urban centers-- and Ohio is a bit different in that it has three lower first/ higher second tier cities (Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati).  His challenge will be to present an authentic case to Catholic suburbanites, Evangelical exurbanites, and rural folk.  


by Crookd River Progressive on Tue May 27, 2008 at 03:19:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ohio Poll (none / 0)

"Singlehandedly ruined his February momentum" ??

You mean the momentum that will culminate in 2 weeks with the votes to become nominee?

Read the post up above where I include the April 1992 story run by The New York Times.  BPK80 is just playing old lines and has been a devote Clinton supporter for sometime.

Remember what Governor Casey said about Clinton in 1992 "Referring to low turnouts in earlier primaries, Governor Casey said, ""We have to recognize reality," Gov. Robert P. Casey said in an interview today. "The primary process is not producing someone who has a good crack at winning in November."


Obama: June 3, 2008. Historic.
by jv on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:19:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hope in the Heartland (UPDATED!) (none / 0)

Thank you for posting this. The reason that the primary contest has been so hard fought is that whoever is the Democratic nominee is likely to be the next president of the USA.


by blue jersey mom on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:34:28 PM EST


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