Obama Up 11 in Ohio

PPP has a new poll out today showing Barack Obama beating John McCain by 11 points in Ohio, or 50-39. In March, PPP showed McCain beating Obama by 49-41.

A couple remarks on this very encouraging poll. First, PPP nailed Ohio in the primary even though it botched Pennsylvania. They know OH demographics at least.

There are some reasons to think this poll may have undercounted Obama's support. First, African Americans only support Obama 75-21. It will almost certainly be a wider margin than that - possibly 95-5. It also gives Obama only a 1-point lead among 18-29 year olds, a much smaller lead than among 46-65 year olds. This makes no sense either.

On the other side, the poll probably overstates his support among whites, showing him up by 4. That's quite optimistic.

The biggest oddity is party ID. It shows Democrats outnumbering Republicans 55-30. But we saw this with the SUSA poll of Ohio too, where the margin was 52-28.

I actually think this is plausible because it probably includes lots of Republicans and Independents who crossed over to the Democratic primary and still vaguely consider themselves Democrats for now. Many of those did so to vote for Clinton and so, not surprisingly, the percentage of Ohio Dems supporting Obama is lower than the percentage of Ohio Republicans supporting McCain. A lopsided party ID margin usually results in lots of "Dems" for McCain; the reality is many of these folks were probably Republicans who voted for Clinton in the primary (and not Limbaugh voters) but who never liked Obama. They were never really "Democrats" except for this primary.

If you remove these voters you'll find the party ID margin break closer to 50-50, but you'll see Obama getting well over 80% of Democratic support.

So watch for those party ID and party consolidation numbers. They are usually inversely proportional.

Either way, these are encouraging numbers for Obama in Ohio. He won't win Ohio by 11 points. But he looks stronger there at this point than he did a few months ago.



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Re: Obama Up 11 in Ohio (1.00 / 1)

While I love the result, it seems a bit too screwy to trust.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:53:22 PM EST

Re: Obama Up 11 in Ohio (1.00 / 1)

PPP?

Meh.


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:57:00 PM EST

Re: Obama Up 11 in Ohio (2.00 / 1)

It's only two points different than the most recent SurveyUSA poll.


"I will veto every single beer!" -- John McCain
by fwiffo3 on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:01:59 PM EST
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I hope they're right, (1.00 / 1)

but I'm still angry with SUSA for NC/IN.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:06:18 PM EST
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Re: Obama Up 11 in Ohio (1.00 / 1)

I know. It would of been better if the diarist used SUSA. Obama is going to win this in a cakewalk. Hell yeah!


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:13:29 PM EST
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Some states SUSA rocks in (none / 0)

others it doesn't know a rock from a coprolite...


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by Student Guy on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 06:35:41 PM EST
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Crosstabs (none / 0)

There are some reasons to think this poll may have undercounted Obama's support. First, African Americans only support Obama 75-21. It will almost certainly be a wider margin than that - possibly 95-5. It also gives Obama only a 1-point lead among 18-29 year olds, a much smaller lead than among 46-65 year olds. This makes no sense either.

I'd be cautious about reading too much into these sorts of cross-tabs. These are relatively small sub-groups (on the order of 10% of all those polled), so the margin of error is going to be like +/- 8-10% on the sub-groups.
"I will veto every single beer!" -- John McCain
by fwiffo3 on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:04:10 PM EST

Re: Crosstabs (none / 0)

That's a fair point.

The party ID is not a small sample, however.

It shows 17% of Dems crossing over to McCain and 10% of Republicans crossing to Obama.

If you accept my premise above that a LOT of people started calling themselves Democrats this year to vote in the primary, then it makes sense that a fair number of those are loyal to Clinton and not to the Democratic Party. As such, the Dem Party ID number will be inflated. But so will be the crossover number.

Note that among Independents, Obama wins by about 12 points. That's always encouraging.


by elrod on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:23:35 PM EST
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I'm Cautious About this Poll (none / 0)

Even though FiveThirtyEight.com has PPP as a little better than average, there are things that just don't seem right about this poll.

Can't draw any conclusions from the crosstabs because, as fwiffo3 points out, the numbers are astoundingly small.


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by fbihop on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:10:19 PM EST

Re: Obama Up 11 in Ohio (2.00 / 2)

The new SUSA MN poll is even stranger, with Obama and McCain tied among 18-34, and Obama with a 9-point edge among those over 65.

Also, what is up with only polling Obama VP choices?  Poll some McCain choices too.  I am curious, and demand free content for my amusement!


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by bosdcla14 on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:20:45 PM EST

Re: Obama Up 11 in Ohio (none / 0)

Thats clearly an outlier.  Everyone but SUSA has had MN consistently in the double digits.  


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 03:02:05 PM EST
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That poll was really strange nt. (none / 0)


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 06:38:33 PM EST
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Re: Obama Up 11 in Ohio (none / 0)

PPP is not the most reliable polling organization in the world.


by ottovbvs on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:33:47 PM EST

Re: Obama Up 11 in Ohio (none / 0)

PPP is "above average" according to 538.

They are inconsistent, but they nailed Ohio in the primary.


by elrod on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:41:32 PM EST
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Re: Obama Up 11 in Ohio (none / 0)

I live here and don't buy it at all... the hostility to Obama's candidacy during the primary was palpable... and this is in one of his supposed strongholds...

With Gov. Strickland's help, I still think he will win (the forces against Republicanism as strong in this state), but it will be a squeaker!


by LordMike on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 02:01:16 PM EST

Re: Obama Up 11 in Ohio (none / 0)

That may have been because of the bogus Canadian NAFTA story.

Support for Clinton over Obama is not the same as support for McCain over Obama.


by elrod on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 02:06:29 PM EST
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Re: Obama Up 11 in Ohio (none / 0)

Very encouraging, considering this is the only post primary Ohio poll available.


by animated on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 02:47:19 PM EST

Obama will win Ohio by 4-5 points (none / 0)

I am in Ohio and this state has been raped by Bush. There is no way it's going to vote for McCain.


by highgrade on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 03:08:37 PM EST


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